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The Tralf Music Hall - Buffalo, NY - February 19, 2008 |
Three decades ago, The New York Dolls set the Rock world on fire, influencing almost every band that came after them. |
My youngest brother, Tim, came over one day to help me haul away some stuff and to hang out for a while. While we worked, he told me that the New York Dolls were coming to The Tralf Music Hall in Buffalo, NY and I nearly flipped. He even gave me a clipping of the ad from the paper. |
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As we sat there at our table, a guy came up to the door behind us and knocked. It was the videographer for We Are The Fury, the opening band for the night's festivities. With him was another guy that came in and just hung out. I assumed he was with We Are The Fury as well. |
I stepped up to the front and snapped a few photos during sound check and was headed back to my table when the tour manager approached me. He asked who I was and I told him. He was ok with me being there but asked that I didn't take any more photos during rehearsal. I agreed not to and all was fine. After a few songs and tweaking the sound, the Dolls left the stage. David headed into the back and guitarist Sylvain Sylvain was walking around the club. Dawn and I approached him and asked if we could get a photo with him and he said no problem. We grabbed the guitar player from We Are The Fury and asked him to take the photo, and he agreed to do it. Sylvain, being not very tall, took one look at Dawn and I, (who are both at least six feet tall), grabbed a chair, and stood on it, causing us all to laugh. Syl stood between us, put his arms around us, and we got the photo. We thanked him and talked for a few moments until he had to get into the back to prepare. Dawn and I rushed over to the printer and immediately printed out the photo. It was lovely. Great color, sharpness, and contrast; this was a GREAT gift! Soon, David Johansen came out and we got some photos with him as well. Dawn and I were both really excited, and again rushed back to the printer after David left and printed those photos out as well. They also came out great! With the photos we wanted printed out of the way, I packed up the printer and put it away. We Are The Fury came to the stage to set up and do their sound check. I was not familiar with them, but Dawn was due to her time working at Sound Garden, Syracuse's only indie record shop. I was impressed by what I saw at their rehearsal and couldn't wait for the live show. There was a short break after We Are The Fury finished and Dawn and I took that time to grab a table right in the front so we would have a great view. About that time, the doors opened up and the crowd began to file in. |
The couple next to us saw our photos and we talked with them for a while. It turns out they used to live in Syracuse and know quite a few of Syracuse's finest rockers. We all talked about what a small world it was
They also bought a TATW button from me. |
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We Are The Fury is from Toledo, OH, and was formed in 1999. |
After that Dawn, Andy, Allie, and I stepped outside for a bit of fresh air and a cigarette. The wind was still whipping and it was bitter cold. We smoked quickly to go back inside and get warm. I got a couple of drinks to warm us as well. It wasn't too long of a wait before the lights dimmed again and it was time for the headline act! |
The New York Dolls created punk rock before there was a term for it. Building on the Rolling Stones' dirty rock & roll, Mick Jagger's androgyny, girl group pop, the glam rock of David Bowie and T. Rex, and the Stooges' anarchic noise, the New York Dolls created a new form of hard rock that presaged both punk rock and heavy metal. Their drug-fueled, chaotic shows influenced a generation of musicians in New York and London, who all went on to form punk bands. And although they self-destructed quickly, the band's two original albums remain two of the most popular cult records in rock & roll history. |
Tom: Frannie Spiopta of Syracuse wants to know: Have the New York Dolls been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? |
This was the age of what they call "Stadium Rock." And where songs had lost their sex appeal and they were epics and they were operas. There was no more cool, little three cord progressions, man, that you get your rocks off on, you know. Tom: Right Sylvain: And hence the reason why we started to play, and we thought it would last about 2 weeks, you know. And then we opened up that door; we broke down that big wall that was in front of everybody. And then who came after us? Patti Smith, probably the most talented of the whole lot. Then came the Talking Heads, and Blondie, and the Ramones, and that's only in NYC. The ones that I am mentioning are true rock and rollers. And I think that's really what happened. And that's only in New York! Now in England we were on television, so over there, you had the Morrissey's checking us out, you had Joe Strummer, and all the next generation over there, you know. And then, that's what opened up the door. That's what opened up the door to everybody. I once read someplace where Bono mentioned that one of his influences was the Ramones. And if it weren't for the New York Dolls there would have never been a Ramones. Tom: Right Sylvain: Now, the band that you mentioned, [KISS] they were to me They had nothing to do with rock and roll. They were a novelty band. They were a novelty act. It took them to have blood, fire and all kinds of stuff. You know, I don't think it was in the songs. Maybe they said something about rock and roll, but they had nothing to do with the revolution. Tom: Now, having influenced so many the question begs; who were some of your early influences? Sylvain: Eddie Cochran, All the blues guys, girl groups like the Shangri Las, and the Ronnettes especially, Marc Boland, T-Rex, the early bands, the early English guys, the early Who. Later on when they went into Tommy and all that other stuff, I could give a damn. That didn't turn me on at all. A matter a fact, that's why I fell like the next generation, had to rebel against that. They didn't want opera, they wanted three chord progressions, you know, based on the blues, just like the New York Dolls. And we had improvised solos, no two of our solos have ever been the same, so uhm Everybody else I think they were more controlled, especially, you know, the late 60's and they were all put together by industries, not because they wanted to get chicks when they were like four cool guys that didn't know anything about anything. We had to learn it. And I think that's really, that's the true art. The ones that are put together and are really by the industry, for the industry, when they disappear, they've got the next guy. I think the true art is when the artist themselves have to do it. They can't help but do it. Especially when they make it famous, but they don't make any money. Like in my case. Tom: Right Sylvain: What would keep you going if you didn't make any money, if you were famous? Tom: The love of music. Sylvain: Well, yeah of course, the love of music. That's exactly it. Because everything else is falling apart around you, and the ones that are making it, aren't really talking about you, but that's all right. Late in 1972, the New York Dolls embarked on their first tour of England. During the tour, drummer Murcia died after mixing drugs and alcohol. Jerry Nolan replaced him. After Nolan joined the band, the Dolls finally secured a record contract with Mercury Records. Todd Rundgren - whose sophisticated pop seemed at odds with the band's crash-and-burn rock & roll - produced the band's eponymous debut, which appeared in the summer of 1973. The record received overwhelmingly positive reviews, but it didn't stir the interest of the general public; the album peaked at number 116 on the U.S. charts. The legendary girl group producer George "Shadow" Morton produced the band's follow-up, Too Much Too Soon. Although the sound of the record was relatively streamlined, the album was another commercial failure, only reaching number 167 upon its early summer 1974 release. Tom: You guys have been plagued by drugs and death, all through your career, from Billy Murcia in 1972 to Johnny in '91, Jerry in '92 and then, Arthur in 2003. Do you ever feel that the Dolls might be cursed? Sylvain: No, I think the world is cursed, not the Dolls. The Dolls are a pure, beautiful think, ya know. And what happens in life is what happens in life. You might put your kid in that school bus, and then on the way there, who knows what happens, and you could get a call and that kid is no longer around. That's how life is. Tom: Having lost friends to drugs, close personal friends, what do you think of these newer musicians coming up that are getting into heroin? Sylvain: I think I lost more friends to AIDS because our country didn't want to help them. They totally ignored them. I think that's the real crime. When your society in the richest nation in the world, can't even provide you know, whatever . Just because your different they discriminate against you for your sexual preference on just that, and that alone.I think what happens to the Dolls is uh You know what? If I had the choice to do it all over again, I wouldn't change one note. Tom: Cool! Now, speaking of Johnny Thunders, did it ever bother you that he was acclaimed for his guitar playing when you taught him how to play? Sylvain: Yeah, but that's the way Johnny was, you know. At first, when we put him in the band, he said the guitar had too many strings so he was gonna take up the bass. And two weeks after that he said, "Sylvain, I'm the lead guitar player, now you're the rhythm guitar player." That's the way Johnny was, he was very uhhh uhhh his self esteem was low, lets put it that way. And that's how it manifested. But that's ok, ya know that's what gets you the beautiful stuff like Personality Crisis, the chords to Babylon, and on and on, ya know. If I could say one thing, the only I did teach him was the Blues really. I would say this to anybody. If you are thinking about playing music, you should start by playing the Blues if you're gonna play Rock and Roll. Anyways, if you want to play jazz you better play the blues. You could play anything. Blues is something that could be interpreted for thousands of years. Tom: Well, that's great advice. Sylvain: That should be the basis for everybody. Most bands after they make it or whatever then they decide, "Now I'm now going to do a blues album." But I guess then it's too late. I think you should start, like, the way we did or if I could mention anybody else it was the Rolling Stones. Start with the blues man, that's the great base. |
Following the disappointing sales of their two albums, Mercury Records dropped the New York Dolls. No other record labels were interested in the band, so they decided to hire a new manager, the British Malcolm McLaren, who would soon become famous for managing the Sex Pistols. With the Dolls, McLaren began developing his skill for turning shock into invaluable publicity. Although he made it work for the Pistols just a year later, all of his strategies backfired for the Dolls. McLaren made the band dress completely in red leather and perform in front of the USSR's flag, all of which meant to symbolize the Dolls' alleged communist allegiance. The new approach only made record labels more reluctant to sign the band and members soon began leaving the group. |
Sylvain: Well no, it wasn't communist. Me and David wrote a song, it was called Red Patent Leather, and it was 'red, you're the judge, red you're the executioner, red you're the jury,' after the famous judge, jury, executioner. And it started off with just one pair of red shoes. And the next guy down said
."Oh yeah, I'll get red shoes." And then everybody got red clothes for some reason, and it was Vivian Westwood who was making the clothes, so why wouldn't you wanna wear it, ya know? And then, of course, which I think, David Johansen and Malcolm McLaren, who really never had two words to say to each other, at one point or another they came up with "Hh
well now they were all red with the song and everything, why don't we just put up the communist flag?" |
By the middle of 1975, Thunders and Nolan left the Dolls. The remaining members, Johansen and Sylvain, fired McLaren and assembled a new lineup of the band. |
Tom: Right. He seems pretty into it now though! Sylvain: Once you get up there and something happens, you might think this way or that way, but the audience is the ones that vote you in or out, not particularly you. At one point the band becomes the world. It's owned by the world, by the people. Not any longer for, yeah, they know when their going to go on tour or whatever, but they got their gig. The most important thing for a band is their next gig. And uh, but that's it. It's a tightrope of a juggle Tom: After years of waiting for a reunion, especially Arthur can who was dying to have a reunion, and he passed away just 2 weeks after you guys reformed for the 2003 Meltdown Festival, how did that affect the idea of continuing? Sylvain: Well, you know, It's always like you know, uh, you start talking to your friends, just like when any tragedy happens. In fact, I emailed a few of my friends, some people came up just like in the very first one, we lost Billy Murcia before we got Jerry Nolan in the band. I mean, I had friends that told me 'Hey, you should quit right now.' And if we listened to them we wouldn't have had a New York Dolls album, with Jerry or without. So you know there is always good and there is always bad. You gotta suss it out. And of course you know, like I said, the most important thing to a musician is the next gig. In some cases, yeah, you know, maybe they're sitting behind a swimming pool, something like that, maybe they're saying, "Naw, the Dolls shouldn't be together anymore." In other cases they're struggling in some little factory, crappy job and this music really talks to them. They say, "Hey, yeah man, keep on going." See, that's the difference. With Sam Yaffa (of Hanoi Rocks) on bass, the remaining Dolls played a hometown tribute to their fallen brothers at Little Steven's International Underground Garage Festival in New York City on August 14, 2004, reuniting again in 2006 for the all-new CD/DVD One Day It Will Please Us to Remember Even This. The line-up for the recordings included David Johansen, Sylvain Sylvain, Steve Conte, Sami Yaffa, Brian Delaney, and Brian Koonin. The album featured appearances by Iggy Pop and Michael Stipe of R.E.M. Tom: Speaking of keeping on going, what was it like waiting 32 years to release the third Dolls studio record? And how is it different from other Dolls records? Sylvain: Well, it was a struggle because at first it was like, ya know, everyone was throwing in a lot of things and some of them were so far away from being New York Dolls. There was confusion on whether we should go this way or that way. To me, even when we broke up in 1975, I always felt like the Dolls left me. I never left the Dolls. If you follow my solo career you, you are going to find New York Dolls songs all over the place. The latest thing that I did, my latest album, is called Sweet Baby Doll, I put it out in 1997. Tom: Yep, the Fish Head there, yeah. Sylvain: Fish Head records, right, and you could trace on that. I mean, even the show today, when we do the segue from You Can't Put Your Arms Around a Memory to uh, Lonely Planet Boy That's what I was playing live, Pills, just exactly the way we were playing it today, I was playing it live since the late 80's if not before . in my show. And Trash of course, actually, Trash is on my Sweet Baby Doll album. Tom: Speaking of Pills, I gotta tell ya Sylvain: I don't know, to me I never really change; it's basically the same. I did have a show at one point called the Tear Drops, some people thought it was Latin, but it wasn't really. You just mess with music just to see how far you can go, and how far it will take you. That's the art of it all. Tom: Yeah, if you don't do that you don't find anything new and we all just listen to the same thing over and over and over again. Sylvain: Exactly, and music should be an evolution of where you started. And you should always keep on learning, if not then you're bored of it and you say, "Well, you know what, I'd rather do something else." Tom: Right, Now I want to ask you this A lot of purists say the new line up is not really the New York Dolls. What do you have to say to them? Sylvain: You know what, you gotta give 'em all a chance, you know. I haven't heard of anybody who came to our show live that's gone home disappointed, you know. Cause our show is probably the only rock and roll show that there is in the world. I'll give you an example The other day we were playing, I don't know where, I think we were in Boston or something you know, and David plays his harmonicas. And our tech guy is helping him out cause David can't see too good. He needs glasses. So they put the right key next to the song. If it's an A he knows that he's gotta play an A harp or whatever. So we were starting our, I forget what song it was, it was our opener, and someone stuck the wrong key harmonica in David's harp . So we kick off the song and stuff and it's like Bam! wait a minute something is really, really wrong here. And he pulls like a Jimmy Durante. He's like "Stop the music! Stop the music!" It was so funny. It just broke the whole ice between us and the audience. Now, they were just like beginning to get naked over the whole thing, and let their problems out side the door, you know, and then it was so loose and everyone had a smile from ear to ear after that, and we had such a great rock and roll show. No one, no one would ever do that. Tom: I gotta tell you man, we saw you guys in Buffalo. You'll remember me cause I had printed out the photos there. Sylvain: Oh yeah, that was you! Tom: Yeah, yeah, that's me. And Syl... dude, I gotta tell ya, that was one of the best freaking shows I ever saw in my life. I loved it! It was stunning, I mean. And I gotta tell you, you were one of the nicest guys I ever met. You were so friendly to everybody. That definitely holds up to anything you guys ever did in the past and I gotta tell ya, anyone who says anything else is crazy, because it blew me away. Sylvain: Ahh, that's beautiful. On that note I'm going to have to say this is the end because I know its almost 1:30 and I have another one at 1:30. Tom: Oh, ok. Sylvain: I wanna tell you this though, don't forget. No matter how big Kiss got they're still and forever will be a novelty act. Tom: Oh, I understand that. Sylvain: And a novelty act is not really a rock and roll show, you know, they might have something here and there, but I swear the only comparison to Kiss, first of all, they've already borrowed from our song, Looking for a Kiss, that's how they got their title. And they used to rehearse right next to us, and they had this kind of cowboy western kind of band, called Phoenix I think they were. And out of the success of the Dolls they first saw the Dolls, and when we weren't successful in the beginning they didn't do anything, you know. But once we started having our shows and when all the chicks came out that's when everybody else wanted to come out. Once they saw that that's when they went into their blood and fire and everything else. Let me tell you something, it took them to have blood and fire a complete face cover, and it only took the New York Dolls as we say in French their "rouge à lèvres", or their lipstick, and their high heels, and their sexiness. You know, we didn't do anything else. Tom: Amen. |
Sylvain: We didn't have to fire-breathe, we didn't have to spit blood on you, whatever it was. That's a shock. That's more like, what's the other guys name, Manson. He's a shock. There's no real art in it. And they come in and they go, and in the case of Kiss, I swear to God, if I'm six years old and I dig them, that's cool. But anybody past the age of six years old, that still digs that band, I got a problem with them. |
Dawn and I thanked Sylvain, David, and the rest of the band for a phenominal show. We got our copies of the set lists and our photos signed before heading out to the car. The drive home was no small feat. It took us over two hours to go the first twenty miles or so. But finally around Rochester, NY it cleared up and we made it home in one piece. The day had been great! The New York Dolls were, are, and always will be one of the greatest bands in Rock & Roll! The Dolls will continue their touring later this summer. If you get the chance, catch the show and be amazed. And remember to tell them TomAroundTheWorld sent you! |
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